It was interesting to see that having lodged concerns with Wikipedia as to neutrality and failure to provide citations to the origin of the term “Rape Culture™”, I was promptly told off !
- What you are presenting is more or less correct, and I’ll correct the sentence in question to more correctly deal with the subject of the film. But the article does not say nor imply that the film used the modern definition of rape culture nor make any claims about the film’s message – it merely notes it as a possible first use of the term.
- Your claim that “piece as a whole is based upon a premise that is false, incorrectly attributes origination and fails to cite both sources and criticism of misuse of sources. The page should be marked as disputed and readers notified until the content is brought to acceptable standards.” is not reasonable, and is insulting to those who have written this article. After a lot of discussion and collaboration among several experienced editors, the neutrality-in-question tag was recently removed because the article had been rewritten specifically for a neutral point of view.
- The article does not use the film’s definition of rape culture, which is fact seems to be a relative sidenote. It is about rape culture as discussed as academic idea in modern feminist theory. So although “rape culture” as a phrase may have originally been in terms of prisoner rape, the modern academic definition is broader and includes all rape (not just male-on-female, and not just prison rape). I will rewrite that sentence to discuss your concerns, at which point I believe the neutrality of the article will once again be reasonably complete. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:55, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
How odd – so what you say is correct – but you are wrong!
I did find being told that the original and orignating citaion for the term “Rape Culture™” was but a side note. How odd! It is normal for such attribution to be a basic matter and not shoved into the side not category!
The page has been edited and some content changed so now it reads:
One of the first uses of the term was as the title of a 1975 documentary film, Rape Culture, produced and directed by Margaret Lazarus and Renner Wunderlich for Cambridge Documentary Films, which discussed prison rape in the context of a larger cultural normalization of rape. Although the film discussed mainly male-on-male rape in prisons, modern feminist theory uses a broader definition of rape culture that includes non-prison society as well.
Ah so the poor men who were being raped in Lorton Prison Virginia, and who set up “Prisoners Against Rape” edge nearer getting a little credit!
I note that the Editors forgot to mention “Prisoners Against Rape”.
Back to the Editing!
My response to the Editor who told me I was being insulting and naughty is
The question of “original citation” of the Term “Rape Culture” is till absent. The term “the modern academic definition” is relative to the need for “Citation” which remains missing. If the term is in wide academic usage and has academic rigour, then the relevant origination citation should not be hard to locate and apply? It remains absent. “After a lot of discussion and collaboration among several experienced editors..” is not relevant – facts and reality are. Even experienced editors can only work with the information provided, and when new and additional information comes to light you edit to maintain accuracy. You may also wish to note that on the pages for Margaret Lazarus and Renner Wunderlich the name of the film “Rape Culture” has been linked to this page – which is not correct as this page is not about the film itself. There are multiple levels of inaccuracy involved. If there is a question of citation and origination of the term “Rape Culture”, should that not be listed under Criticism? For such a pervasive term to have no definitive origin, it is a matter which has caused much criticism.